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Pascal's wager is betting on the existence of god. It suggests that belief in god has everything to gain and nothing to lose. Blaise Pascal argued that it is a better "bet" to believe that God exists, because the expected value to be gained from believing that God exists is greater than the expected value resulting from non-belief.
This argument has some major flaws. Some of them are:
1. It assumes that god (if it exists) rewards belief and punishes non-belief.
2. It assumes that the individual has chosen the right god.
3. It assumes that the individual is a member of the right religion or sect of that religion.
4. It requires that any person who is believing in a god to avoid punishment or gain reward would need to believe in all the religions which consider non-belief punishable.
5. It assumes that god/gods would not know that you are believing in order to avoid punishment or to gain reward.
So, if you claim that we should believe in Christianity just because of the possibility of being punished for not believing in it, then what are you going to say about other religions which also make such a claim? Based on Pascal's wager, Islam, Christianity and Hinduism cannot all be correct as they do not worship the same god/gods in the same way. So, to escape punishment, for Pascal's Wager to work, you would need to believe in all 3. Or some unknown non-Christian gods might exist, and punish Christian believers for their failure to believe in them. Or some powerful entity might decide to punish those who believe in a god while rewarding non-believers. To avoid punishment from believing in the wrong god, one would need to believe in all of them. This is bound to upset at least one of them, if any of them exist in the first place.
Also, if the belief is basely solely on the expectation of reward and the fear of punishment, instead of other things as well, such as the desire to do good, it is not belief with pure intent, which, if any of the gods exist, is bound to piss off at least one of them. I am not sure that "pretending to believe just in case" would score many "god brownie points." This is apart from a lifetime spent in worshipping which my turn out to be the wrong god, or a non-existent god. Thus a life spent on either a wilful delusion or a lie. So it is a fallacy that those who believe have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
"Men never do evil so completely or cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." Blaise Pascal
This argument has some major flaws. Some of them are:
1. It assumes that god (if it exists) rewards belief and punishes non-belief.
2. It assumes that the individual has chosen the right god.
3. It assumes that the individual is a member of the right religion or sect of that religion.
4. It requires that any person who is believing in a god to avoid punishment or gain reward would need to believe in all the religions which consider non-belief punishable.
5. It assumes that god/gods would not know that you are believing in order to avoid punishment or to gain reward.
So, if you claim that we should believe in Christianity just because of the possibility of being punished for not believing in it, then what are you going to say about other religions which also make such a claim? Based on Pascal's wager, Islam, Christianity and Hinduism cannot all be correct as they do not worship the same god/gods in the same way. So, to escape punishment, for Pascal's Wager to work, you would need to believe in all 3. Or some unknown non-Christian gods might exist, and punish Christian believers for their failure to believe in them. Or some powerful entity might decide to punish those who believe in a god while rewarding non-believers. To avoid punishment from believing in the wrong god, one would need to believe in all of them. This is bound to upset at least one of them, if any of them exist in the first place.
Also, if the belief is basely solely on the expectation of reward and the fear of punishment, instead of other things as well, such as the desire to do good, it is not belief with pure intent, which, if any of the gods exist, is bound to piss off at least one of them. I am not sure that "pretending to believe just in case" would score many "god brownie points." This is apart from a lifetime spent in worshipping which my turn out to be the wrong god, or a non-existent god. Thus a life spent on either a wilful delusion or a lie. So it is a fallacy that those who believe have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
"Men never do evil so completely or cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." Blaise Pascal
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(Pascal's Wager always reminds me of the part in "The Mummy" where Benny is confronted by the mummy as it is hunting for body parts from which to reconstitute its own body. Benny is trapped against the wall inside the burial chamber with the egyptian mummy advancing towards him. Benny begins to pull out a dozen or so religious amulets from around his neck, and tries to use them as religious talismans to warn off the advances of the mummy. What saves him from the mummy, according to the story, is not his belief in any of the religions, but the fact that he can speak ancient hebrew. The moral of the story seems to be that it isn't belief that is going to save you from a dangerous situation, but knowledge. Specifically in Benny's case, it is the knowledge of another language which makes him useful - even if it was only on a temporay basis. Nonetheless, that part in the movie always makes me laugh as Benny is in effect, pretending to believe in all the gods, in the hope that none of the others, should they exist, be offended.)
Some of Benny's antics from "The Mummy."
LINK: The Empty Wager by Sam Harris
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Either you just set a great rat trap for theists, or you just sprayed a ton of theist repellent. Not sure what this post will end up attracting or unattracting.
ReplyDeleteTheists are sometimes hard to figure out.
The old saying is that Fundies are slippier than greased pigs.
Beaj:
ReplyDeleteI hope I put out the welcome sign but we will see. It's certainly more interesting when someone disagrees.
Re: Based on Pascal's wager, Islam, Christianity and Hinduism cannot all be correct as they do not worship the same god/gods in the same way. So, to escape punishment, for Pascal's Wager to work, you would need to believe in all 3.
ReplyDeleteSorry, Beep - won't get much argument from me. Pascal's wager is not something I argue. Fear of Hell does not constitute saving faith although it may be proclaimed ("Sinners in the hands of an angry God") as "pre-evangelism." Saving faith requires a heart change that understands and embraces,the universe and all that is in it, including one's self in terms of the reign of the one Living Christ. Even the devils believe that God is one and they tremble (Jas 2:19) but that does not constitute salvation for them.
Saving faith is about allegiance (fide) not abstract affirmation of doctrinal truth.
Can one really believe in all three (Islam, Christianity, Hinduism)? Wouldn't belief in more than one of these constitute a violation of that belief?
ReplyDeletegadfly:
ReplyDeleteIf I was a theist, I wouldn't argue in favour of Pascal's Wager either. The idea that one can believe in something just in case, is kind of weird.
Pascal's Wager also fails to express the problem that is evidenced throughout history, and that is the contrary and multitudinious gods that one would need to sift through in order to find "the right one."
Theists don't usually acknowledge this problem, as for most, the god concept that they believe in, or have faith in, is to them obviously the only true god.
Pascal's Wager infers that the bet is a 50/50 one. Where there is one die with 3 of the sides with god on it and 3 without god.
The wager, as a bet, is better visualized as thousands of dice, with thousands of different god beliefs represented.
blueberry
ReplyDeleteYes, especially if they conflict as far as beliefs and actions go.
If a hindu is supposed to do certain actions through belief in the hindu godhead, it would be contrary to what one would be supposed to do and believe if one was a muslim.
The religions are not compatable in the beliefs or actions that are required in each religion.
The Bahai's, (sort of a mixture of islam and christianity), wouldn't be able to escape this type of god choice either.
One would be left with trying to believe in all the gods that are mentioned throughout history, even those that are not mentioned which would be guarenteed to annoy at least one of them. If the one that is annoyed happens to be "the right one", it is curtains.
blueberry: I believe that what you're refering to is called Unitarianism (I love making fun of them ;))
ReplyDeleteBeep: As an RPG nerd, I like to think of it as one many-thousand sided die.
Reminds me of this bit of dialogue:
ReplyDelete"Ooh, we're not as well-off as you think. We give to eight different
churches just to hedge our bets, and the Leftorium's business has gone
way downhill since Leftopolis moved in next door." - Ned Flanders.
KA:
ReplyDeleteYeah, you would need a finger in every pie, or in this instance, a finger in every god. (Eewwwww)
discord:
ReplyDeleteWhat is it with atheists? Many seem to like RPG, anime and science fiction.
I'm a little surprised at you, beep beep. As an atheist who is also a Carrollian (to satisfy the demands of my "spiritual" side for brain candy) I have no trouble believing in three contradictory religions at the same time. I often believe (in) three impossible things before breakfast!
ReplyDeleteI too am a fan of sci-fi, anime, and RPGs, though I don't indulge too often. I think it might just be the alternative to the fantasyland of religious belief. We are all the product of Natural Selection, and one of the results is a susceptibility to emotional manipulation through storytelling. Our brains crave this kind of mental candy. This tendency has served the priest class well. One of the keys to the success of Judeo-Christian/Islamic mental constructs is the fact that they are repackaged, re-told, and re-sold ad nauseum. I call it the Neverending Godfomercial.
You know, I totally agree with you.
ReplyDeleteBBIM:
ReplyDeleteYeah, you would need a finger in every pie, or in this instance, a finger in every god. (Eewwwww)
Not unless it was the Apple Cobbler deity, or Almighty Jambalaya, or even Chocolate Jesus.
Anime is not for me. Nor is Animism.
ReplyDeleteforget chocolate. the concept of heaven is the ultimate orgasm.
ReplyDeleteChocolate Jesus? No way. Heaven is made of caramel...!
ReplyDeleteI too like RPG's & Sci-Fi and the more "out there" and completely unbelievable the better. I guess that's why I really dig the lab scenes in NCIS. Well, that and Abby...:)
plonka:
ReplyDeleteChocolate Jesus? No way. Heaven is made of caramel...!
Which prompts the query: is there diabetes in heaven?
I feel the concept that GOD requires us human beings to "believe" in him/her without any other requirement is pointless. Belief makes no sense without accompanying behavior for that belief. You either modify your lifestyle to reflect the belief or there's no point in believing.
ReplyDeleteChoosing the correct GOD to get the brownie points is the hard question, assuming there is a GOD(s) in the first place. I'm putting my money on no GOD, no afterlife, no divine justice. If I'm right then I won't have wasted my one and only life. If I'm wrong then I'll end up in the company of the most interesting people to have walked the face of this planet.
lexcen, What!? you mean to say you don't want to go to heaven & hang out with Christians for eternity?
ReplyDeleteI also say the best for me would be no afterlife, nothing, nada.
I've never thought of the afterlife as a dilemma anyway. Even if there was a Christian God, he's supposed to be perfect, right?
If he does exist & that is true, then I'd only get what I deserved, anyway. Why would anyone expect anything else?
What is the purpose of a god anyway? It sounds like some petulant teenager that wants its arse kissed on an eternal basis or it gets the shits. Think I will pass.
ReplyDeleteKA: Which prompts the query: is there diabetes in heaven?
ReplyDeleteMost certainly not! The spectre of diabetes is the very embodiment of evil, not to mention the arch nemesis of caramel and as such, has been banished! Besides, a caramel Jesus would simply be able to miracle it away. Caramel heaven is surely a place where you can "super size" with impunity...:)
Not sure about the chocolate caramel thing, but it isn't as good as a stripper factory and a beer volcano.
ReplyDeleteOur heaven is better than yours!!