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Imagine There's No Heaven ~ Sam Harris argues against irrational faith and its adherents
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Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make when in the presence of religious dogma. The atheist is merely a person who believes that the 260 million Americans (87% of the population) who claim to never doubt the existence of God should be obliged to present evidence for his existence and, indeed, for his benevolence, given the relentless destruction of innocent human beings we witness in the world each day.
Only the atheist recognizes the boundless narcissism and self-deceit of the saved. Only the atheist realizes how morally objectionable it is for survivors of a catastrophe to believe themselves spared by a loving God while this same God drowned infants in their cribs.
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. . . I couldn't watch the whole video. Maybe I'm too coward. (Know something? Happens me since a became a father)
ReplyDeleteBut I read all Harris article. What a clear mind.
"I can swear there ain't no Heaven
ReplyDeleteBut I pray there ain't no hell" ~ Blood, Sweat, & Tears
I could hope for a heaven for the people I love, but I would NOT hope for a hell for anyone.
ReplyDeleteI don't believe in heaven or hell, but let's say for argument's sake... that a hell exists.
I would under no circumstance worship a being which would torture its creations for eternity.
In fact, I would consider it my duty as an ethical, moral person to rebel against such a being if it existed. As such a being would be a sadistic thing indeed.
You are being a literalist in determining what Hell is really like, beep. In my view, Hell is simply a state of not being in God's presence for eternity. That would be Hell.
ReplyDeleteIf I am being a literalist about what hell is, it is because christians cannot agree on what hell is.
ReplyDeleteThey continue to move the goal posts concerning the definition of hell; what it is, where it is, and how you end up there.
For you, you choose the "comfy version", the "hell is separation from god version".
400 years ago, your own christian borthers might have burnt you at the stake for such heresy.
Yes, but unlike Islam, Christianity has been through many reformations and there are many different ideological offshoots of Christianity. The two main ones being Protestantism and Catholicism. Why do you paint all Christians with the same brush?
ReplyDeleteRE the troll:
ReplyDeleteIslam is not practiced identically either.
There are fundamental muslims who believe in the inerrancy of the quran and believe it literally; just as there are fundamental christians who believe in the inerrancy and literal nature of the bible.
There are muslims who are quite liberal in the readings of the quran as there are also christians who are liberal in the interpretations of the bible.
"Liberal" meaning generous. As in ~ many individual interpretations of the bible and or quran.
There appears to be more cults of christianity than of islam. This is probably because christian has been around for about 400 years longer.
RE: "Why do you paint all Christians with the same brush?"
All people of blind faith concern me.
I don't trust their ability to make sound judgements because of what they are prepared to take on faith.
People with no faith concern me. I don't trust their ability to make sound judgements because of what they are not prepared to take on faith. Afterall, if one believes there is no God, what is stopping them from thinking THEY are capable of doing whatever they want. This has actually been seen in Godless civilizations of the past and present (North Korea, China, and Russia to name a few).
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ReplyDeleteRE "Afterall, if one believes there is no God, what is stopping them from thinking THEY are capable of
doing whatever they want."
The reason that large %s of people in the world don't do horrendous things to each other is because
they are basically well socialised, compassionate, psychologically healthy, people.
Not because they are believers in religion or believers in an invisible being.
Personally I feel sorry for people who claim that it is only their religious belief that stops them from
being a raving, psycopathic killer, or a murdering, sadistic rapist.
RE "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion." ~ Steven Weinberg
I agree with Weinberg, for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.
RE "This has actually been seen in Godless civilizations of the past and present (North Korea, China, and Russia to name a few)."
Welcome to your never-ending fascination with logical fallacies.
Correlation implies causation, also known as cum hoc ergo propter hoc (Latin for "with this, therefore
because of this") and false cause, is a logical fallacy by which two events that occur together are
prematurely claimed to be cause and effect.
Firstly you would need to claim that those civilizations were godless. A difficult task for you as you are primarily relying on your own nation's propoganda as evidence.
Secondly, you are commiting the logical fallacy of correlation implying causation. That is, you believe that because they were godless they behaved in a certain way.
Not one of those countries mentioned went on a rampage in the name of atheism. Not one of those countries went to war under the flag of atheism. "Religious countries" ALWAYS go to war and kill in the name of their god or gods. It is their way to call for their god to give them victory, and they slaughter, maim and rape with a smile on their faces as they do it for their god. God belief is a mental illness.