"Begin at the beginning,and go on till you come to the end: then stop." (Lewis Carroll, 1832-1896)

Alice came to a fork in the road. "Which road do I take?" she asked."Where do you want to go?" responded the Cheshire cat."I don't know," Alice answered."Then," said the cat, "it doesn't matter."

"So long as I get somewhere," Alice added as an explanation. "Oh, you're sure to do that," said the Cat, "if you only walk long enough."

"All right," said the Cat; and this time it vanished quite slowly, beginning with the end of the tail, and ending with the grin, which remained some time after the rest of it had gone. "Well! I've often seen a cat without a grin," thought Alice; "but a grin without a cat! It's the most curious thing I ever saw in my life!"

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Wednesday, October 11, 2006

Before Jesus

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He was sent from heaven to earth in the form of a man.

His heavenly father was spirit.

His earthly father was a carpenter.

Placed in a manger, he was visited by wise men who were guided by a star.

An angel gave warning that the local ruler planned to kill him.

So his parents fled with the child.

As as adult he withdrew into the wilderness where he fasted.

He performed miracles.

He healed the sick.

He cast out demons.

He even made a leper whole again.

He raised the dead.

He chose certain disciples to help spread his teachings.

He kept company with sinners (he encountered a gentile woman at a well, for example) yet he lived a sinless life.

He celebrated a last supper before his death.

He forgave his enemies.

He descended into hell...and he rose again.

Who is this man?

Long before Jesus Christ, there was Krishna.

Before Jesus was the second person of the holy trinity, Krishna was the second person of the Hindu trinity.

Before Jesus was known as "the lion of the tribe of Judah," Krishna was known as "the lion of the tribe of Saki."

Before Jesus was identified as : " the seed of the woman bruising the serpent's head," Krishna was identified as " the seed of the woamn bruising the serpent's head."

Before Jesus said, "I am the Resurrection," Krishna said " I am the Resurrection."

Centuries before Jesus came to earth...

  • Krishna was sent from heaven to earth.
  • Krishna came in the form of a man.
  • Krishna's heavenly father was spirit.
  • Krishna's earthly spirit was a carpenter.
  • Krishna was placed in a manger.
  • Krishna was visited by star-gazing wise men.
  • Krishna's parents fled.
  • Krishna withdrew into the wilderness.
  • Krishna fasted.
  • Krishna performed miracles.
  • Krishna healed the sick.
  • Krishna cast out demons.
  • Krishna made a leper well again.
  • Krishna raised the dead.
  • Krishna chose disciples.
  • Krishna kept company with sinners.
  • Krishna encountered a woman at a well.
  • Krishna lived a sinless life.
  • Krishna held a last supper.
  • Krishna forgave his enemies.
  • Krishna descended into hell.
  • And Krishna rose again.

Isn't it funny? How history repeats itself?



Jesus as a Reincarnation of Krishna

"For one who sees Me everywhere and sees everything in Me, I am never lost, nor is he ever lost to Me" (Bhagavad-gita 6.30).




Blogger Daniel said...

Hey, Beep, soon you'll be getting death threats if you keep this up.

This post is very interesting and is news to me. It'll be interesting to see the response. Keep up the good work!

12/10/06 6:56 am  
Blogger Krystalline Apostate said...

Whoa, hold on a minute.
Krishna was an inveterate womanizer, who played pipes, he physically wrestled and defeated demons, not born in a manger, I don't recall anything in the Bhagavad Gita (Upanishads) about lepers or healing, disciples? Who? Last supper?
I don't think so.
As to his being a part of the Triune, he was actually an 8th avatar of Vishnu, so that's wrong too.
The Buddha parallels are by far much closer.
I'm sorry, but about 90% of this is altogether wrong. Krishna had a total of 16108 wives.
Closest parallel here is the Jainist POV.

12/10/06 8:36 am  
Blogger beepbeepitsme said...


Krishna is the eighth and the complete incarnate of Vishnu, the Godhead of the Hindu Trinity of deities. That means that Hindus believe that there were seven incarnations of Vishnu before Krishna, not that he isn't part of the Hindu Trinity of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva.

So Krishna is Vishnu in his eighth reincarnation and Krishna represents Vishnu as the second entity in the HIndu Trinity.

I think what is interesting to me is that many of the ancient gods have parallels, if not indentical characteristics. It was not uncommon for the religions and gods of other nations to be assimilated into other cultures.

This happened particularly in the areas of the mediterranean and the middle east where the history of repeated conquest meant that the religious practices of separate cultures were worshipped sometimes side by side and at other times, assimilated by the more powerful culture as a means to control and gain favour of the local populations.

So, the gods of other cultures had their names changed and some of their habits and characterisitcs, and replaced with the names of local heroes, or their adventures became assimilated into local legend and folklore.

The "God lists" of the ancient world have many characteristics in common. It does appear that certain that god characteristics were very popular.

Some of these characteristics might incluide:
1. An extraordinary birth
2. The concept of a sinless life.
3. Forgiving enemies.
4. Dying as some sort of sacrifice
5. Descending into the underworld, hell, hades
6. A promise of salvation, or saving others from sin.
7. And resurrection.

To the extent that if someone wanted to create a new religion, a "god checklist" (to explain this brutishly), would incorporate the characteristics and attributes of other popular deities.

The creation of gods by human beings, might have reached its zenith with the creation of the jesus story who, in my opinion, borrows heavily upon all the myth, folklore and legends and epics of previous cultures.

Jesus is, in my opinion, one of the many ancient personifications of the sun, whose life, and whose importance to human beings is anthropomorhised in this way.

I think Krishna, Jesus, Apollo etc etc are also representations of the human desire for cult heroes. These are people or heroes of myth and legend who embody all the positive characteristics possible in humans but who are such extraordinary representations of hero worship, that they are afforded the ultimate compliment possible by ancient peoples.

That is, they are venerated as gods.

12/10/06 10:45 am  
Blogger Kingdom Advancer said...

Beepbeep: great FIRST HALF of the movie. I really liked how you went through everything Jesus did and can do. However, the rest of it went downhill faster than a roller-coaster. It's like those big-budget movies which have so much promise, but then leave you with a bad taste in your mouth because it burns out so badly. Anyway, I'll just pretend that the movie ends with "Who is this man?" And everyone can know: Jesus of Nazareth.

By the way: I wanted to let everybody know that I thoroughly dismantled your argument that "proves no one can go to heaven" on my blog. I encourage everybody to check it out, at:

12/10/06 12:24 pm  
Blogger Krystalline Apostate said...

That means that Hindus believe that there were seven incarnations of Vishnu before Krishna, not that he isn't part of the Hindu Trinity of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva.
No, there were 10.

"In Hinduism, the incarnation of a deity in human or animal form to counteract an evil in the world. It usually refers to 10 appearances of Vishnu, including an incarnation as the Buddha Gautama and Kalkin (the incarnation yet to come). The doctrine appears in the Bhagavadgita in the words of Lord Krishna to Arjuna: “Whenever there is a decline of righteousness and rise of unrighteousness then I send forth Myself.”"
So Krishna is Vishnu in his eighth reincarnation and Krishna represents Vishnu as the second entity in the HIndu Trinity.
Which trinity? There's more than 1. You mean the tri-godhead?
I agree w/most of your hypotheses, but the Krishna representation (I think) is wrong, & poorly constructed. I'm sure that there were a lotta parallels that were indeed borrowed from various sources: I think the Krishna parallel is a dead end.

Kingdom Advancer:
By the way: I wanted to let everybody know that I thoroughly dismantled your argument that "proves no one can go to heaven" on my blog.
No you didn't.
There's no such place.
Now go sit silently, until the drawbridge from your castle in the air lowers.
You've got a long wait.
'Cause it'll never happen.

12/10/06 1:52 pm  

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