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Friday, February 23, 2007

Morals And Social Responsibility

My revised version.

Original Version - Image from here.

This questionnaire is designed to test your attitudes to moral behaviour and to find out how socially responsible you are. It has 11 questions and should take about 10 minutes. You will be given a statement to read and asked how important you think it is. You will then be asked to pick a statement from a series of options that best represents your answer. It was designed by Dr Keith Coaley.
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Take the test here. Morals - Social Responsibility Questionnaire
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I have already done the test. I will post my results in due course for anyone who is interested. In the meantime, please post the results of your tests in the comments. Thank you for participating.




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52 Comments:

Blogger Dikkii said...

27.5

Your score puts you in the mature category of social reasoning and the majority of people will have scores in this range. Thinking here transcends the practicalities of one's preferences and exchanges to an emphasis upon social feeling, caring and conduct.

You take into account the consequences of actions for other people, whether for benefit or harm, as a consideration in its own right for deciding how one should act towards others. You emphasise relationships, thinking how you might feel if you were on the receiving end. Empathy is important, as well as compassion.

You are likely to expect others to conform to normally expected conduct, reflecting on "common decency" and will think of the chaos caused by laws being broken. You will value, love and respect others, and appreciate some higher values, as well as speaking of the benefits of a clean conscience or pride.


Disappointed I didn;t finish higher up.

23/2/07 4:44 pm  
Blogger Krystalline Apostate said...

40 out of 44. 66%
Your score puts you in the highest category of social reasoning. You will see ethical and moral values as important to the needs of society and will appeal to basic rights or values. You might say "Honesty is a standard which everyone should accept" or "Life is sacred."

Conformity to ethical norms is important to you, in terms of a responsibility, obligation or commitment for all individuals, although you may be willing to consider exceptions in some particular circumstances. You are likely to suggest that with entitlement or privilege comes responsibility.

You will appeal to considerations of responsible character or integrity in others, preferring a consistent or standard practice of behaviour in order to avoid damage to social institutions such as the legal system.

However, you will want to see an adjusted case-by-case application of standards for the sake of fairness to all people. Lastly, you are very likely to appeal to standards of individual or personal conscience, as well as of honour, dignity or integrity.

Curious that behavior & honor were spelled the old-fashioned way.

23/2/07 5:21 pm  
Anonymous ted said...

33.5

Your score puts you in the mature category of social reasoning and the majority of people will have scores in this range. Thinking here transcends the practicalities of one's preferences and exchanges to an emphasis upon social feeling, caring and conduct.

You take into account the consequences of actions for other people, whether for benefit or harm, as a consideration in its own right for deciding how one should act towards others. You emphasise relationships, thinking how you might feel if you were on the receiving end. Empathy is important, as well as compassion.

You are likely to expect others to conform to normally expected conduct, reflecting on "common decency" and will think of the chaos caused by laws being broken. You will value, love and respect others, and appreciate some higher values, as well as speaking of the benefits of a clean conscience or pride.


Re KA: Curious that behavior & honor were spelled the old-fashioned way.

BBC - It is the British way....:)

23/2/07 5:26 pm  
Blogger beepbeepitsme said...

Not posting mine yet, but thanks again to those who have taken the questionnaire.

Come on you flyby blog readers, participate, or I will have to smack.

23/2/07 7:25 pm  
Blogger Coffee Messiah said...

My Results 42/44

Your score puts you in the highest category of social reasoning. You will see ethical and moral values as important to the needs of society and will appeal to basic rights or values. You might say "Honesty is a standard which everyone should accept" or "Life is sacred."

Conformity to ethical norms is important to you, in terms of a responsibility, obligation or commitment for all individuals, although you may be willing to consider exceptions in some particular circumstances. You are likely to suggest that with entitlement or privilege comes responsibility.

You will appeal to considerations of responsible character or integrity in others, preferring a consistent or standard practice of behaviour in order to avoid damage to social institutions such as the legal system.

However, you will want to see an adjusted case-by-case application of standards for the sake of fairness to all people. Lastly, you are very likely to appeal to standards of individual or personal conscience, as well as of honour, dignity or integrity.
This was mine. Maybe I need some re-adjustment to fit more easily into american society. I'm not the norm! ; (

23/2/07 9:28 pm  
Blogger toomanytribbles said...

you scored 39.5 out of a total of 44.

your score puts you in the highest category of social reasoning. you will see ethical and moral values as important to the needs of society and will appeal to basic rights or values. you might say "honesty is a standard which everyone should accept" or "life is sacred."

conformity to ethical norms is important to you, in terms of a responsibility, obligation or commitment for all individuals, although you may be willing to consider exceptions in some particular circumstances. you are likely to suggest that with entitlement or privilege comes responsibility.

you will appeal to considerations of responsible character or integrity in others, preferring a consistent or standard practice of behaviour in order to avoid damage to social institutions such as the legal system.

however, you will want to see an adjusted case-by-case application of standards for the sake of fairness to all people. lastly, you are very likely to appeal to standards of individual or personal conscience, as well as of honour, dignity or integrity.

23/2/07 11:16 pm  
Blogger Jones said...

You scored 38 out of a total of 44.

Your score puts you in the highest category of social reasoning. You will see ethical and moral values as important to the needs of society and will appeal to basic rights or values. You might say "Honesty is a standard which everyone should accept" or "Life is sacred."

Conformity to ethical norms is important to you, in terms of a responsibility, obligation or commitment for all individuals, although you may be willing to consider exceptions in some particular circumstances. You are likely to suggest that with entitlement or privilege comes responsibility.

You will appeal to considerations of responsible character or integrity in others, preferring a consistent or standard practice of behaviour in order to avoid damage to social institutions such as the legal system.

However, you will want to see an adjusted case-by-case application of standards for the sake of fairness to all people. Lastly, you are very likely to appeal to standards of individual or personal conscience, as well as of honour, dignity or integrity.

I thought it was bolloks though,..

24/2/07 12:38 am  
Blogger beepbeepitsme said...

So, far, by my reckoning, only agnostics, skeptics or atheists have taken the challenge. Come on you believers, I know you are out there, come and do the questionnaire. :)

24/2/07 1:57 am  
Blogger Darwin's Dagger said...

You scored 36 out of a total of 44.

My Results

Your score puts you in the mature category of social reasoning and the majority of people will have scores in this range. Thinking here transcends the practicalities of one's preferences and exchanges to an emphasis upon social feeling, caring and conduct.

You take into account the consequences of actions for other people, whether for benefit or harm, as a consideration in its own right for deciding how one should act towards others. You emphasize relationships, thinking how you might feel if you were on the receiving end. Empathy is important, as well as compassion.

You are likely to expect others to conform to normally expected conduct, reflecting on "common decency" and will think of the chaos caused by laws being broken. You will value, love and respect others, and appreciate some higher values, as well as speaking of the benefits of a clean conscience or pride.

24/2/07 2:42 am  
Blogger pissed off patricia said...

Here ya go. I forgot to get the number but here's what it said.

Your score puts you in the highest category of social reasoning. You will see ethical and moral values as important to the needs of society and will appeal to basic rights or values. You might say "Honesty is a standard which everyone should accept" or "Life is sacred."

Conformity to ethical norms is important to you, in terms of a responsibility, obligation or commitment for all individuals, although you may be willing to consider exceptions in some particular circumstances. You are likely to suggest that with entitlement or privilege comes responsibility.

You will appeal to considerations of responsible character or integrity in others, preferring a consistent or standard practice of behaviour in order to avoid damage to social institutions such as the legal system.

However, you will want to see an adjusted case-by-case application of standards for the sake of fairness to all people. Lastly, you are very likely to appeal to standards of individual or personal conscience, as well as of honour, dignity or integrity.

24/2/07 3:09 am  
Blogger MichaelBains said...

40.5 / 44

My return said the same as everyone's but Dikkii's. Dude!, guess that makes you the anti-social one 'round hyar! {-;

Actually though, I kinda like that "mature" category's description at least as much as the "highest" category's. The 2 certainly seem to be .. hhmmmm.. harmonious with each other, eh.

I'm bettin' the "better" believers will turn up in the same range. The "despicable and sociopathic" things which help comprise what those folk profess to believe in are generally discarded as such, which of course just shows how irrelevant the god concept really is when it comes to morality.

24/2/07 6:14 am  
Blogger beepbeepitsme said...

Mine was similar to most people as well.

You scored 43 out of a total of 44.

Audience's Scores
1 % 1 % 32 % 66 %

My Results
Your score puts you in the highest category of social reasoning. You will see ethical and moral values as important to the needs of society and will appeal to basic rights or values. You might say "Honesty is a standard which everyone should accept" or "Life is sacred."

Conformity to ethical norms is important to you, in terms of a responsibility, obligation or commitment for all individuals, although you may be willing to consider exceptions in some particular circumstances. You are likely to suggest that with entitlement or privilege comes responsibility.

You will appeal to considerations of responsible character or integrity in others, preferring a consistent or standard practice of behaviour in order to avoid damage to social institutions such as the legal system.

However, you will want to see an adjusted case-by-case application of standards for the sake of fairness to all people. Lastly, you are very likely to appeal to standards of individual or personal conscience, as well as of honour, dignity or integrity.

24/2/07 10:02 am  
Blogger beepbeepitsme said...

Atheists seem to have a handle on social responsibility. I didn't expect anything different. There is no reason to assume that people who do not believe in a god are raving psychopaths, or anymore immoral than the next person.

According to the test, at least, we all seem to be socially well adjusted people. Now all we need is a few believers to take the same test.

24/2/07 10:07 am  
Blogger DiscordianStooge said...

38.5

Highest category of social reasoning. Etc.

24/2/07 11:02 am  
Anonymous ted said...

Re Beep: Now all we need is a few believers to take the same test.

Wouldn't that be like testing gawd? I don't think they're allowed to do that....

24/2/07 11:04 am  
Blogger Krystalline Apostate said...

BBIM:
Now all we need is a few believers to take the same test.
Don't expect too much from folks who'll shrug at a few choice genocides in their 'holy' book.

24/2/07 6:52 pm  
Blogger beepbeepitsme said...

RE ted and KA:

Maybe one will them will be so kind? Perhaps I am expecting too much.

24/2/07 11:04 pm  
Anonymous ted said...

One would be good, two would be better, but half a dozen would be better yet. I want to test a theory, now you've got me thinking about it and I'd like a decent sized sample.

25/2/07 12:15 am  
Blogger Blueberry said...

I scored a 33. Same description as Dikii and Ted.

25/2/07 4:02 am  
Blogger Sadie Lou said...

I'm a believer. A Christian--non-denomination. I came here from Jewish Atheist's blog. I scored a 33.

25/2/07 6:06 am  
Blogger Sadie Lou said...

Actually, now that I've read through your comments...I'm sorry I even posted my results here. I can't believe the misinformation and stereotypes represented here.
ted said "Wouldn't that be like testing gawd? I don't think they're allowed to do that...."

What the heck? *laughing* Do you hear the word "test" and think it all means the same thing?
And to the host/author of the blog--I'd like to introduce myself--My name is Sadie. I have been visiting Jewish Atheist's blog for about a year and he often comments on my posts.
I invite you to take a browse through some of my recent posts.
:)
Might I also encourage you to not think in such biased absolutes?
I don't know any of my Christian friends that would assume atheists wouldn't score well on a test of morality.
You said...
There is no reason to assume that people who do not believe in a god are raving psychopaths, or anymore immoral than the next person.

You're absolutely right. Quite frankly, I believe I would have answered the questions the same now as I would have before I became a Christian.

25/2/07 6:16 am  
Anonymous say no to christ said...

Results
You scored 39 out of a total of 44.

Audience's Scores
1 % 1 % 32 % 66 %

0-11 12-22 23-33 34-44

My Results
Your score puts you in the highest category of social reasoning. You will see ethical and moral values as important to the needs of society and will appeal to basic rights or values. You might say "Honesty is a standard which everyone should accept" or "Life is sacred."

Conformity to ethical norms is important to you, in terms of a responsibility, obligation or commitment for all individuals, although you may be willing to consider exceptions in some particular circumstances. You are likely to suggest that with entitlement or privilege comes responsibility.

You will appeal to considerations of responsible character or integrity in others, preferring a consistent or standard practice of behaviour in order to avoid damage to social institutions such as the legal system.

However, you will want to see an adjusted case-by-case application of standards for the sake of fairness to all people. Lastly, you are very likely to appeal to standards of individual or personal conscience, as well as of honour, dignity or integrity.

Background
Scores on the questionnaire form a scale that tracks the development of reasoning from childhood through to adulthood about social, ethical and moral issues. The original research using this questionnaire was conducted in the United States by Kohlberg and was followed up by John Gibbs, Karen Basinger and Dick Fuller.

Most children make decisions based on the influence of power and authority figures, progressing through an emphasis upon exchange relationships with others, then on to mutual and social expectations.

Some people progress to a level where they base their moral reasoning on universal values. Others become fixed at earlier stages depending upon circumstances. But recent research has suggested that it is possible to change the way you reason about your social responsibilities.

25/2/07 6:44 am  
Blogger MichaelBains said...

Thanks for that "whose" fix, Beep! The first edition tweaked my inner Grammar Nazi into a fit.

{-;

Howdy Sadie. I'll not speak for anyone but me when I say I know plenty of wonderful folk who're christian, or some other supernaturalist view of reality. I also know more than just a few such folk who think atheists queers and sundry other good and free folk should be banished from society for some imagined "bad behaviour" in the believers' brains.

I don't mind so much. I just find it amusing at best, and frustrating most often that the moral believers can't see that they've the same beliefs as the immoral. For the same reasons. Otherwise the object of Faith is merely metaphor, just as an atheist affirms.

Have fun and see ya.

25/2/07 7:41 am  
Blogger Sadie Lou said...

I also know more than just a few such folk who think atheists queers and sundry other good and free folk should be banished from society for some imagined "bad behaviour" in the believers' brains.
Howdy yourself!
:)
Oh, I know there are some Christians that have that kind of world view but I would like to submit that these people might not know the same God I know. The God I know didn't send His only Son to die for the world's sins in order that only "good" people who believe in him.
In fact, Jesus said that he didn't come to save the people who think they are "moral". He said he came to heal the "sick".
I would like to suggest that individuals that maintain their "poo" don't stink--don't know what it means to have a real relationship with the God that created them.

25/2/07 7:53 am  
Blogger beepbeepitsme said...

RE sadie:

"You're absolutely right. Quite frankly, I believe I would have answered the questions the same now as I would have before I became a Christian."

I agree. I think I would have answered the questions in the same way when I was a christian.

The point was that many believers, whether they be christians, muslims or religious jews, have the opinion that one cannot be a moral human being without a god belief, or without a religious belief.

What I think the test indicates, is that the majority of people have a good sense of morality with orr without a god belief.

Certainly, as this test indicates, they can have a good sense of social responsibility, without a religion or a god belief.

What it does indicate, is that neither god belief, nor religious belief, nor the lack of them, are a guarantee of morality.

25/2/07 9:57 am  
Blogger beepbeepitsme said...

RE sadie:

Regarding ted's comment of "Wouldn't that be like testing gawd? I don't think they're allowed to do that.... "

I understand why he said that. So, let me explain why I think he did.

Many believers believe that they are now different, better, more moral people because of their god belief. Some of them, maybe many of them, also believe that without their god belief, or the grace of their god, that they would slip back into a state of sin or immorality.

Some of them, at least, would see the questionnaire as a "test of faith". That to do the test would be testing whether or not their god belief , or the grace of their god, has made them a "better person" - a more moral person.

Therefore, they would have seen this as testing "god's grace", "the will of god," or their belief in a god. No doubt they would also have posted quite a few pieces from the bible where they believe they are not to do this.

So, as I said, I understand the context of ted's comments.

25/2/07 10:11 am  
Blogger Sadie Lou said...

I uderstand the context of ted's comment but I still think it's a misrepresentation of that particular doctrine.
2Corinthians 13:5 ¶ Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified.

Quite the opposite is true.

25/2/07 10:59 am  
Blogger beepbeepitsme said...

RE sadie:

"On the other hand, it is written, 'You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.'" (Matthew 4:5-7)

25/2/07 11:56 am  
Blogger L>T said...

I scored 41 out of 44

25/2/07 3:06 pm  
Blogger beepbeepitsme said...

Re: Lt

Another agnostic/ atheist with a good sense of moral and social responsibility. I didn't expect anything less. :)

25/2/07 4:51 pm  
Anonymous ted said...

Sadie:

I agree with you. I think, as Beep does too that I would have scored the same when I was a christian. But no, I don't see the word "test" and "think it all means the same thing". Beep's hit the nail on the head as far the "testing of God" is concerned. When I was a christian we were encouraged, as you point out, to test ourselves regularly. Testing God on the other hand was strictly forbidden.

I have to also agree with MB.

But, the main reason I said that is because we have had many discussions here where christians have constantly asserted that "morality comes from god" and as Beep pointed out "Without god you can't be moral." which as you agree, seems to be a complete load of fetid dingo's kidneys.

The problem with that argument though, is that when a test like this comes along it constitues evidence, real evidence, that all morals do not come from god. I cdidn't think we'd see any of the regulars, and we haven't yet...

I apologise for catching you in that stereo-type Sadie, as you obviously don't belong in it...

25/2/07 8:43 pm  
Blogger Sadie Lou said...

Thanks Ted.
I appreciate that.
I also don't see how taking an internet test on morality has anything to do with testing God but to each his own.
I also do not see how someone that claims to be a Christian can so quickly forget that they were and are SINNERS--just covered by grace.
???

26/2/07 2:38 am  
Blogger beepbeepitsme said...

RE sadie

Is it your belief that now you are born again that you can't sin? Is this what "covered by grace" means?

26/2/07 10:04 am  
Anonymous ted said...

Sadie:

No worries...:)

Of course, you are right. It's not so much testing god as testing faith. If you were one that believes that all morality comes from god, I doubt you would have published your results, if you took the test at all.

In my experience, some christians think that once they've accepted Jesus, they are absolved of sin.

26/2/07 10:09 am  
Blogger Sadie Lou said...

Is it your belief that now you are born again that you can't sin? Is this what "covered by grace" means?

In my experience, some christians think that once they've accepted Jesus, they are absolved of sin.

Ew.
I'm glad I have the opportunity to set the record straight.
I have run into some sects of Christianity that preach the false doctrine that once you are a believer, you have achieved sinless perfection.

Not so.

I sin.
I repent daily at night when I pray, alone, to God.
I am convicted of my sin almost during the action. I have a real problem with gossip, for example. It's hard for me not to talk about people with other people. I think everyone would agree that they have been hurt by slander at one time or another. I still reap the consequence of my gossip--people sometimes find out that I talked smack about them. (what goes around comes around!)
But I repented and part of repentance is that I turn from the sin. I try to stop doing it. Also, God forgives me. He has already forgiven my past, present, and future sin because of Jesus' final death on the cross--he paid for all sins. (this is what Christians call GRACE)
But this doesn't give me a license to have a sin party!
I still am accountable to God. And I love him and I love Jesus and I want to lead a good life and be good to people but I believe this is only really possible through daily repentance and a relationship with God. He has put a desire in me to call every thought or motivation into question. I also believe he isn't going to judge me for my sins and that I will be rewarded for fighting my desires to sin (this is what Christians call FAITH!).

Christians that tell you they don't sin are liars. 1 John 1. And that's just a fact. You can tell those people I said that.
:)

26/2/07 10:51 am  
Blogger beepbeepitsme said...

So "under grace" just means that you are still capable of sin, but that god will forgive you of sin.

Seems to be the "get out of jail card for free."

How many times can you use the card? Does it have an expiry date? And can it be revoked for overuse, like a credit card?

26/2/07 12:04 pm  
Anonymous ted said...

Saidie: He has already forgiven my past, present, and future sin

That would mean that your sins come pre-forgiven wouldn't it?

26/2/07 1:28 pm  
Blogger Krystalline Apostate said...

sadie:
But I repented and part of repentance is that I turn from the sin.
See, here's where I have a HUGE problem.
By this doctrine of 'original sin', it's assumed the maker has hobbled his/her/it's offspring. What parent asks that their children be born handicapped? It's the equivalent of 'Oh, hey doc: listen, I don't want life to be too easy for the kid. Can you like, take off a coupla fingers? Cleft a palate? Give the child crossed-eyes?'
It makes no sense to me whatsoever. It's cruel. It's ridiculous. It casts the deity in the role of some mad doctor.
Tough love, I can understand. But you don't throw TOO many obstacles at a child: they never develop then.
& as a result, xtians have a plethora of self-esteem issues: mortals just never are quite GOOD enough to make any grade. So they're forced to a very unhealthy co-dependence on said parent.
& if you look at the structure in nature, 1 thing is clear: the child will ALWAYS succeed the parent. So why build a structure, but not work w/in it? Why always outside of it?
It's senseless.

26/2/07 1:37 pm  
Blogger Sadie Lou said...

Beep--
You really have to read what I say instead of whatever it is you're doing. No, it's not a "get out of jail free card". I said in that comment:
But this doesn't give me a license to have a sin party!

I'm really willing to stay and be a Christian voice here but I'm not willing to be the public fool for your entertainment--which is the feeling I'm starting to get around here and since you're the blog-host, I'm trying to feel you out the most. If I can't count on you to be civil, how can I expect that from guests.
Just say the words and I'll stop coming and leave you and your guests to your atheist clique.

KA--I respect and value the way you engage me. I'll be back to answer your questions after I test the climate here.
Thanks.

27/2/07 8:51 am  
Blogger beepbeepitsme said...

RE sadie

This is a skeptical/atheist/agnostic blog. There may be many issues discussed here to which you might take personal offence.

And people who visit this blog, may challenge your beliefs. How someone challenges someone else's beliefs is of some importance though.

I have a commenter who posts "f*ck you beep beep" on mumerous occasions. I don't take much notice of this, as I am almost certain that it is that lunatic ricky who trolls bacon eating atheist jew's blog.

So, I can't guarantee you that people will always be civil though I would hope that ad hominem comments were not the standard defence or attack.

I don't moderate comments in here except if people are being threatened with violence. Then their comments will be deleted by myself.

Aparts from that, people are welcome to argue point by point on whatever issue they consider worthy of their attention or interest.

Welcome to the fray and hold onto your hat.

27/2/07 10:13 am  
Blogger Sadie Lou said...

Yeah. I can see that this blog is mildly moderated. I don't mind if people want to be objectionable but I won't tolerate being ridiculed for the sake of sport or entertainment. I'm simply here to learn and to be challenged by being forced to step up to the plate.
There's a big difference between a discussion and a stone throwing contest.
I don't like the latter.
Anyhoo,
I'll continue to participate but I'm not going to address your guests that are just out for blood.

27/2/07 10:19 am  
Blogger Krystalline Apostate said...

sadie:
KA--I respect and value the way you engage me. I'll be back to answer your questions after I test the climate here.
Thanks.

You're welcome.
That's actually amusing, in a way.
I'm usually the 1 beating people up around here.
In my own defense, I'd like to say is that it's usually someone who's incredibly obnoxious. Which you don't seem to be.
& don't take too much personally - we're a cynical, irreverent lot. We view sacred cows as hamburger - so we tend to make comments about condiments.;)
So breathe & relax a little.

27/2/07 11:05 am  
Blogger Sacred Slut said...

42.5

27/2/07 5:24 pm  
Blogger beepbeepitsme said...

RE sacred slut:

Thanks for participating.

27/2/07 5:36 pm  
Blogger Sacred Slut said...

Sorry to be so terse.... I tried 4x before it took my input. I got briefer each time. Are swear words verboten?

Interesting test. I'm a good test-taker though. :)

28/2/07 6:57 am  
Blogger Sacred Slut said...

My husband pointed out there should not be half points. So I must have had 42.

I think I'm losing it.

28/2/07 7:55 am  
Blogger beepbeepitsme said...

RE sacred slut:

I dunno. Blogger chucks a hissy fit sometimes. As far I know, it doesn't react to swearing.

28/2/07 9:14 am  
Blogger King Aardvark said...

I got 40/44. Not bad. I don't like the "fitting in with the social norms" part. Screw normal.

2/3/07 5:16 am  
Blogger beepbeepitsme said...

RE king

"Normal" sounds so boring. Thanks for doin the test and for posting your result.

2/3/07 10:02 am  
Blogger Dikkii said...

Just re-did it and got 39.5.

Not sure I trust these online survey thingys.

5/3/07 11:20 am  
Blogger beepbeepitsme said...

RE dikki:

I am pretty sure I would get a different rating each time I did it. A reflection of my "mercurial nature" perhaps, rather than a reflection on the test.

Tests are only indicators afterall.

5/3/07 11:49 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i got a 40.
sal

8/3/07 8:18 am  

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